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[Demilisz]

[atacam]

[PacoDeth]

we have talked about banning cardpakcs (Baronies, Howls, etc.) in future games to make things less difficult and annoying. With a small handful of limitations and errata's the game is unmatched in greatness.
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[Aegis]

Right now I am the only player of CAoR in my half of Michigan (US), but I have two to three other RPG buddies either getting into CAoR and AT43, or seriously thinking about it. And that's even with noone selling either product in my side of the state. But at the same time, noone I know plays C3 or even WHFB. It's a little bit of WH40-K, and "that steampunk game by pirates (stupid filters)".

So here there's no less of a following for CAoR than any other minis game.

[KILLALLGODS]

If I may be allowed my two bit opinions and observations.

How long has it been since Rackham made the switch to prepainted plastic and a completely different format for the game? How many new models have been released? How much support has been shown?

Compare this to 03-04 when Rackham was enthusiastically pumping out new models and armies, the CORDS were formed and there was talk this was going to be the David to take on XX's Golaith. The forum is a shadow of what it was, when was the last time some of the really big names posted here? Anybody seen Xenon Wolf or Oni? How about Totengraber or sOOp? I know that Kain and Brenten went over to TTG, and I see you(atacam) working your @$$ off over on Dragonpainting.

What I have seen is there is literally NO MENTION of Confrontation Armies of Ragnarok. I have been calling other game stores across the West Coast and Pacific Northwest looking for Confrontation... the answer I get E-Bay.

I think that the damage has been done and the only way for Rackham to get BACK into the game is go back to their roots and reboot Confrontation as it was, plastic and metal minis, and a system that worked.


In my area there are still a massive number of gamers that are hanging on to their old ConfrIn my area there are still a massive number of gamers that are hanging on to their old Confrontation minis and aren't willing to give them up. My LGS had a sale and sold off all of the PPP at 75% off a year ago. I think that Rackham needs to do a massive marketing survey to take a look at the situation.

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[atacam]

Why was my post deleted?

If I took the time to put a post together like that, then someone should have the decency to tell me why they removed it.

It wasn't offensive and was well within the forum guidelines.


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[AlQuds]

I have seen Atacam's post. He just expressed agreement with a previous poster (whose post is still here) and showed a medal he won in C3.x national championship. The medal is a great piece of art that shows what kind of support was given to tournaments and promotion of the game. It makes me wonder why the post was removed.

AlQuds

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[Grégoire]

Atacam, your post is in our trash, and I don't know why. I'll check with the moderation team...
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[Xenon_Wulf]

[KILLALLGODS]

My apologies Xenon I have seen you over at TTG and Dragon Painting, I did not realize that you were a Sentinel.

I liked the skirmish scale rather than the mass battles. I ran some bigger point battles using Confrontation rules.

Honestly I miss the feel that Confrontation had. I loved the chaos that C2 had, the random card draw, the different movements-leaping and swimming. I thought that it was the most flexible system out there, there wasn't a situation that you couldn't work out. I still have multiple copies of all the rulebooks.

If Rackham went back to multipart metal or plastic kits that we could assemble and paint I would be willing to give it a shot.

[atacam]

[AlQuds]

[Grégoire]

[atacam]

[Splat]

Ummmm...
Just to put a different spin on this - and not to start any real arguments (I hope). This is not a rebuttal to Al Quids. It's an examination of statements made across the boards here.

Yes, the 'Old Timers' sponsored tourneys. Yes they organized demos. Yes, they did what they could to support the game they liked. Do you know of folks who do that for games they _don't like _ ?

You can't hold someone accountable for not getting games support that they don't play. Why they don't play is irrelevant. But only folks who play games get games to be played... as long as you see the games getting played. Running little games in your basement for one other friend is _not_ promoting the game. Running a game on Saturday afternoon in a store where folks are walking around _is_ doing something to make the game more visible and promoted.

The other way to get a game to be supported is to have stores do things to get them seen. Demo games. That would be _Sentinel_ support. Have them come in and run games in public during high traffic times. _Distributor_ support. Gimme free Ables to give out. Free Wolfen Fangs to hand to someone who thinks a Wolfen is cool. Get stores pairs of the army boxes and a set of sheets showing how to play to have in game libraries so gamers see the things and have a chance to play with them. Then gamer support. get a ladder league set up. Get folks playing.

Back in the hey-days of c2/c3 we didn't do 'Cord tourneys or 'Cords restrictions at my store. We created scenarios and had tourneys which commonly drew about two dozen people. The distributors (and my store) provided prize support. Rackham provided support through the importer/distributor. We had weekly games where new folks would coe in and learn/play. No Sentinels, just gamers who wanted to have more opponents and more possibilities of fun. We did things like Living legends (and entourage) battles. We did things to make folks pull out their minis and have fun.

All that came to an end when FFG took over. Then when the public who were playing quit playing and sales fell off. When support stopped and motivation to support the games that had no new product appear went away.

Perhaps if something akin to a structured play/reward system was reinstated we might see tourneys and organized play again.

How ? What ?

I don't know right now. This is currently conjecture and needs some roughing out to figure out what RE can do, what Sentinels can do and how many folks we can find to participate.

Until then, I can tell you that my store will try to schedule demo games, I'll spend my own time trying to promote CAoR (and other Rackham products) but I don't see it becoming anything like it was (around my store) until things get back on track.

Take it for what it's worth. Effort and investment into a hobby begets more players and more fun. Unless your a jerk and treat your gaming partners like that. Or power goes to your head and you start treating anyone with an opposing viewpoint like that and folks see what you are doing. They they simply assume your a jerk and refuse to back your views.

I hope things shape up. I really, really do. But pointing fingers at _other gamers_ and telling them that they are the problem will not solve a single thing. Ever.

It will only create a bigger rift. And if that rift stays there only more tension and fracturing of effort will come from it. Period. I will stay off my soap box about how things _should_ have been and simply look at what _can_ be. We can play our games, have fun and stop sniping at each other over things out of our control.

And maybe, just maybe, things might get better.

Peace out.

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